05 Jul
Posted by Alex Davis as CBS, Opinion, The Price is Right
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This is part two of a two-part perspective post. Cory played “Price is Right fan” below. I will be playing “heartless apathetic bastard”.
Let’s get the news part out of the way before we dig into this more. Long time producer of Price is Right, Roger Dobkowitz, was let go by Fremantle earlier this week. It’s a shame because he was a long time member of the staff from the show’s start, a person who kept the show in check and made sure it stayed true to its retro roots (whether this be good or bad you decide), and, according to people talked to him, an all around great guy. We obviously wish him the best.
All of this comes with the news that Fremantle wishes to take the show in a “new direction”. A “new direction” that people don’t know about and are already freaking the hell out about. A good deal of this comes from an absolutely terrible job of a popular Price fan site. Instead of calmly tell everyone the current situation and explaining what may happen, what the staff chose to do, to inform people of the situation, was tell people “Run away! We’re all going to die!” and suddenly shut things down out of emotion. It lead to a level of game show hysteria I’ve never seen before. It’s not exaggeration; read some of the message boards. You could even read my inbox which was literally flooded with emails of people complaining that I wasn’t investigating this situation well on July 4th. Instead of remembering all the great work Roger has done for the show and how much he’s meant to the game show community, people completely flipped out over rumors.
I don’t see how this was a good day for any party involved. I better place some blame on Fremantle where it’s deserved. We just went through a pretty big on the show which went a lot better than I could have expected. A majority of people who are complaining about new host Drew Carey, it seems, did it because he wasn’t their savior Bob Barker. Basically telling people that stuff will again be changing again, and this time a more drastic change, directly after something quite a few people are finding it tough to embrace could have come at a better time.
The other half of the blame goes on the enthusiastic online fans of Price. It was seriously like the world ended to them. When you read about people literally in tears or close to tears (no joke) about a producer on a game show, it makes you really question the priorities of people. Questioning of priorities also came from the fact that we got an ungodly amount of emails angry at us for not publishing a story about this on July 4th. Were people that distraught over a game show that it couldn’t wait a day or two? I mean there are some people who have a close relationship to Roger and were upset, and I can understand that. The people who were just fans of the show and were in tears over this news shock me a bit. They are more enthusiastic over a game show than I could ever imagine.
I really don’t know what to think. I’m cautious about the proposed changes. Mainly because no one knows what’s going on. But a vast majority of people decided to lose their shit because the situation was handled poorly. I think the important thing to realize is that it’s just a game show, no one completely knows what’s going on, and there’s no reason to go crazy over rumors and predictions. You may end up liking changes that allow the show to breathe more and be a bit more goofy and free unlike the breakneck little time for fun extravaganza that happens now. Drew’s best skill is the ability to joke around and have fun with the contestants. If they can allow him to do this more to a certain extent without completely morphing the show, I’m all for it. I’m not a big fan of the show in general; I’m more of an average fan who watches a few times a month; so if they can do anything to draw me in more, I’m cautiously optimistic to see how it goes.
46 Responses
Intelligentfan777
1July 5th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
This is one of the few times I can justify you being an “apathetic bastard” (as Cory put it).
You are absolutely right on (for once :p)! I want to add that I admit to frequenting that Price fan site, I am a fan as you know. But, I am not an over-the top blogger who overreacts to certain things just because it’s “shocking”, or “Out of the blue”, so to speak. I thought the Admin of the site was off his rocker and then some for shutting the main parts of the site down, just because HE was upset and overacting to the decision. He should be forced to watch “The Doug Davidson guide to hosting” for doing that!
Seriously, it’s just one big overblown situation. Let’s all take a deep breath, and think about it and forge rational opinions about this.
DENo1MatchGameFan
2July 6th, 2008 at 3:23 am
I can see why there was so much emotion to ‘the Dob’ being fired - he was an original member of the show when it premiered in 1972, but at the same time, where were all of these people when original model Janice Pennington (who was with the show since 1972 as well) was fired as well? Janice NEVER caused any problems behind the scenes - she stayed with the show through thick and thin, even when her first husband disappeared, and when she was permanently disfigured by an unqualified cameraman at CBS which caused her not to be able to model swimsuits. She showed up for work every day, and NEVER complained, and when she testified the TRUTH about Barker in Holly Hallstrom’s case, she got fired for it - Roger was still there. You know why? Cause he may have been the ‘Mr. Rogers’ of the set when Barker wasn’t around, but when he and Barker WERE together, ‘the Dob’ was nothing more than a snitch, telling Barker what all was going on behind the scenes on the show (even if it wasn’t true.) I can imagine that Drew probably caught wind of this situation, and wanted harmony between the crew again, so ‘the Dob’ is history. I know from two people behind the scenes that yes, on the outside, Roger was ‘good ol’ Roger’ as he was portrayed on “Match Game”, but in reality, he was nothing more than Barker’s ‘watchdog’ once Barker was promoted to executive producer. How do you explain all of the firings that have gone on since Barker was elevated? Original director Marc Breslow, Dian Parkinson (as we don’t know her side of the affair that started the court cases yet), Holly Hallstrom, Janice Pennington, Kathleen Bradley, Sherrell Paris, Sharon Friem, Linda Riegert, second permanent director Paul Alter, Claudia Jordan, the loss of Rod Roddy’s camera apperances, and finally Deborah Curling? The truth WILL be told when Chris Mann’s book on the show finally comes out, and the real Barker, as well as the real ‘Dob’ WILL be exposed for the two-facers that they actually are!
Adam
3July 6th, 2008 at 8:51 am
There’s an article on TV.guide.com that I think everyone should read.
gtnop
4July 6th, 2008 at 9:04 am
In reply to Den01matchgame’s post-it seems that all the people who were let go on TPIR had the opportunity to exercise their right to the truth via a lawsuit but opted to sell-out for a settlement instead. Complaining through an unknown author in continually exposing the “truth” is a bit worn at this point. It’s been close to a decade and more in some instances-they all need to move on with life and get over it. Many people lose their jobs-those who worked on TPIR are not immune or entitled.
Even Holly had a chance for her lawsuit to go before a jury but opted for a settlement after ALL provisions in her lawsuit against Mr. Barker were dropped (a factual TRUTH)-something of which she certainly would NEVER mention.
In the legal sense, her position as with the others was weak and so will the sales of Mr. Mann’s book once published.
Chris Lambert
5July 6th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Re #3 - The “article” on TVGuide.com is just more hysterical bloging from an overemotional fan.
Read it for a laugh but take nothing as gospel, as he has no sources or first-hand knowledge to report.
yohowex
6July 6th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I wonder if Mr. Mann’s book will mention the reason the entire mess started-Dian’s blackmail attempt against Mr. Barker, CBS and Mark Goodson Productions. People seem to forget that-so when Holly says she was canned for supporting Dian in her lawsuit-one assumes she also SUPPORTS the failed blackmail attempt.
The others who filed lawsuits and who spoke against both Mr. Barker’s and the company’s position should not be surprised at not being hired. What did you think the company who just bought the rights of the show was gonna do-give them a raise?!
Tunaman
7July 6th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I could not agree more. People are going WAY off the deep end with this situation. And for the popular fan site to shut down, well, to me it looked like someone was trying to get attention and cry like a little baby for a few days, just to come back a week or 2 later “bigger and better than ever.” Do we all remember when that certain admin cried like a little baby here a few months ago because someone peed in his corn flakes, and he stepped down as the admin? What a cry baby.
And people must remember… It’s only a game show. Life WILL go on, contrary to popular belief. Some people really need to smell the outside more often, go get laid, and have a real life outside of game shows… Not sitting at home, crying over a producer, wondering why this could happen, and planning out their suicide attempt to protest against Fremantle.
Xavier
8July 6th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Marc to me seems like a little cry baby. He needs to get over this.
Mike
9July 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I can’t wait for the lemmings to dive into the ocean if this new TPiR doesn’t live up to their high expectations. “Cautiously optimistic” is a great phrase to use. Until we have more information or see the new show in action, all we’re doing is spewing rhetoric and making blind assumptions.
Scott
10July 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Like Alex, I’m only an occasional watcher of the show. I don’t DVR the thing, pick it apart, or bitch and moan about changes like the ubernerds do on many of the messaging board.
Whatever happens with the show has probably been a long time coming and while I’m a bit curious as to what direction they are going to take the show (which could be no more than putting in a new producer with new ideas).
Until then, everyone should just chill out. This is not unusual in the entertainment industry.
H. Caufield
11July 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Posters gtnop and yohowex are obviously just reciting the “Official Explanation of Why Bob Barker was Sued By So Many Women” pamphlet, which is of course one sided, not to mention grossly inaccurate. To set the record straight:
Holly Hallstrom did not sue Bob Barker. Barker sued Hallstrom. And he lost, which is why he then fired everyone whose testimony sank his Slander suit (remember; it’s only slander if it’s not true.) In his firing rampage Barker exposed himself and Fremantle to lawsuits for Wrongful Termination, along with another Sexual Harassment suit from a woman staffer who refused to have sex with Barker…shame on you Bob!
Barker lost his suit against Hallstrom. Hallstrom countersued Barker and received millions in settlement. As she said at the time “They were throwing so much money at me to drop it before it went to trial, I finally said ‘Yes.” I mean, how much money do you need? Plus I’d made my point, I kicked Bob Barker’s evil old a**!”
Because Barker had always claimed that he wanted to go to court and “fight these false allegations but The Company settled”, Hallstrom specifically offered Barker the option of being exempted from her settlement so that the two of them could continue on to court. Barker declined. So much for all Barker’s media posturing.
QUOTE=gtnop: “In the legal sense, her (Hallstrom) position was weak.” Weak? So why did she get MILLION$ in settlement? If Barker pays millions to keep from going to court, OMG! what was he afraid he was going to have had to pay her if it went to court?”
QUOTE=yohowex: “The others who filed lawsuits and spoke against both Mr. Barker’s and the company’s position should not be surprised at not being hired (definition: FIRED). These people all testified truthfully, under oath, and were fired because of it - and that is illegal. That’s why they were paid big settlements. It is against the law to fire an employee for refusing to perjure themselves in order to keep their jobs. Not only is it illegal, but as Bob found out, it will cost you a fortune in lawsuits!
QUOTE= yohowex: “…she also supports the failed blackmail attempt”. Legally it’s called “litigation” (but the losers call it blackmail). Parkinson received a hefty settlement to drop her case against Barker and Bob proclaimed himself vindicated, but he always fails to mention the big check Parkison got…(talk about “something never mentioned”)
QUOTE = gtnop: “ALL provisions in her lawsuit against Mr. Barker were dropped.” That’s why they call it a settlement…duh.
As far as Dobkowitz firing goes, his fate was sealed the day CBS found out it was being sued for Racial Discrimination based on Barker’s alleged policies of specifically limiting the number of African American contestants. Barker was out as of that afternoon, and as soon as Drew got one season under his belt, Dobkowitz (known to be Barker’s henchman) was gone. This is the first of Barker’s ten lawsuits against him that involved the network. These people don’t mess around.
If you want to read and recite something other than “official Barker pathetic attempt at face-saving spin”, the facts of all these lawsuits are public record in the LA County Court. Just look under Barker v. Hallstrom. (That’s BARKER versus Hallstrom).
Game Show Guy
12July 6th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I think they should get rid of Drew Carey. He’s an absolutely terrible host. When someone wins big, his reaction is a notch shy of a coma twitch. A good comedian - yes. A good game show host - no. I think they should have played reruns for a few months and carefully selected a host vs rushing into things. Firing the producer is definitely not the way to go. It’s not his fault the show is losing viewers (my opinion). If the would have given the show to someone with TPIR experience (Todd Newton, Dave Ruprecht, or even Bob Eubanks), I think things would be just fine.
What I see happening with their “retooling” of the show is the same thing that happened with “New Coke” - it was an absolute bomb - and thus faded from existence. If the powers that be continue down this “new and improved” path, I see a very similar fate for TPIR.
Just a TV Show
13July 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
To DENo1MatchGameFan -
I don’t know how many television shows you’ve worked on in your career, but the reality is it’s a producer’s responsibility to report to his executive producer, be it Frank Wayne, Bob Barker or Syd Vinnedge. The producer who hides things from his E.P. risks not being a producer very long. It is totally unfair for you to implicate Roger in the dismissals of everyone from Breslow to Curling (who worked for CBS, not Fremantle). Barker was the E.P. and the driving force behind them. IMO it was in Fremantle’s best interests to settle with those people rather than go through a jury trial and have Barker put on the stand where he risked perjuring himself. If you were Holly Hallstrom and you were offered a $2 - $3 million sure thing, would you turn it down in favor of a jury trial you may or may not win?
Pentellit
14July 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
You know all the nasty mean stuff Bob Barker did to those women on The Price is Right, that they had to sue him for? And how people on the show hated Barker and were glad to see him go? Well Bobbo couldn’t have done any of those things without his pet snake Roger carrying out Barker’s dirty work. Roger made his deal with the devil back in ‘95 and now just like Barker, he’s out on his ass. Good riddance!
Mr. Brown
15July 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Listen -
When you have the admins of golden road telling people to expect these radical changes, you have Voltron, who is in the know, telling us the story about Syd taking Bob out to lunch (and Bob hurling expletives at him), and you have a TVGuide blogger, who has previously been featured in TV Guide itself, telling us an extensive, long, drawn out and heavily detailed story about what has gone down, it’s no longer pure conjecture and rumor… there is some truth to it.
And it’s not going to bode well for this piece of Americana.
Just a TV Show
16July 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
My opinion: Deborah Curling voluntarily quit her job at CBS and then sued after seeing the millions others dismissed from the show were collecting. They moved her from a dressing room to backstage — boo hoo! Her lawsuit complains of racial discrimination against *prospective contestants*, which has nothing to do with her. The part about Paul Alter is laughable. Paul is an old man not given to obscenity. Nowhere in the lawsuit does it say Curling was advised by a doctor or psychiatrist to quit her job because of stress or physical symptoms. Can you say frivolous?
It is illegal to fire someone for testifying truthfully. I bet if you read the settlements, the aggrieved parties agreed not to press criminal charges against Barker, Fremantle, etc. as a condition of the settlement, and that has kept Barker out of jail IMO.
atty1day
17July 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
JUST A TV SHOW - Curling was given a document to sign that in essense recanted her complaint of Racial Discrimination. She had the choice to sign it and keep her job, or to quit. Curling handed in her resignation. What would you have done?
Bob Barker announced his retirement that afternoon, and Roger Dobkowitz is the next in line to go.
You may dismiss this Racial Discrimination lawsuit as “frivolous” but obviously CBS is taking it very seriously.
Mike
18July 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Let’s focus our collective attentions to the topic at hand, and not make this thread a “Let’s bash the ever-loving crap out of Marc”-fest.
Tunaman
19July 6th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Well Mike, when half the blog was about the website, and how some people actually have to go to their shrinks over this, I think it is well within reason to post about how ridiculous Marc can act!
Mike
20July 6th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
But once you cross the line into quasi-libel/slander, no. I’m not saying you were the offending person. Please don’t even come close to crossing that line again.
Pentellit
21July 6th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
The boys at golden-road.net needn’t worry. Every show on television that’s been on long enough to have a fan base/fan club/fan run website always has a person assigned as the “liaison” between the show and the fanclubs. Yes, for years it’s been Roger’s job to give backstage tours to the fan club presidents and website moderators, and send them off with logo t-shirts, ball caps and bags of promotional items, and make them feel “a special part of the Price family” (that’s why it’s called “Public Relations”).
But the g-r boys shouldn’t worry about their website just because Roger got fired, because if they want, before the next season even starts taping there will be a new liaison to take them backstage and show them the new sets and changes, introduce them to Drew if he’s there, then they’ll have lunch in the CBS commissary, and go home with t-shirts and a whole bunch of exciting PR announcements for their website. There will be a new PA assigned whose job, like Roger’s was (remember; before he was a “producer” Roger was a PA), will be to cultivate a relationship with the fanclubs and their fan base. And The Price is Right will go on, just like it always does.
stilavictor
22July 6th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
I can’t wait for Chris Mann’s book on the Price Is Right! That show has more dramas than any other show in tv history! Truly the stuff Made For Tv Movies are made of! Hurry Mr. Mann, hurry!
Shon
23July 6th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Price’s longevity is both it’s biggest strength and it’s biggest weakness.
Since it’s been around so long it has a very loyal fan base (which is stubborn at best). If Fremantle makes too many changes those fans will jump ship. So I’m guessing that whatever changes they will make will be minor (Probably cosmetic).
Though personally I am a little worried. Fremantle’s track record in terms of “originality” and “innovation” hasn’t been that good. When Fremantle has tinkered too much with a game shows it has always ended up in disaster. Anybody remember Pax’s version of “Beat The Clock”? Also none of their ideas has added anything new to the mix.
When you think of great new game/reality shows in the last ten years, what comes to your mind?
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
Survivor
The Amazing Race
Deal Or No Deal
1 Vs. 100
Now what do these shows have in common? Fremantle produces none of them.
I’m just hoping (and crossing my fingers) they don’t do anything stupid.
CarShark
24July 6th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Shon, you can’t seriously compile a list of great reality/game shows without including “American Idol”. They also produced Temptation for Australia, which was brilliant and unfairly canceled IMO. I admit that something got lost in the translation to the U.S. The reason a major network quickfire hard quizzer became a glorified cable-access shopping show (and did we mention the website?) eludes me.
DENo1MatchGameFan
25July 6th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
This goes to Just A TV Show - no I am NOT in the television industry, and YES, I realize the fact that a producer is supposed to go to an executive producer when things are going wrong, but what WRONG did all of these people do that deserved them to get fired in the first place? The only wrongs I see are that Dian was in an affair with Barker (to which we only know his side of the story, we haven’t heard all of Dian’s story yet), and that Holly chose not to side with Barker’s side of the story - she sided with telling the truth. To that point, Holly wasn’t a ‘money grabbing gold digger’ who only wanted Barker’s money through court settlements - if you lie under oath, you get arrested for perjury, and she didn’t want any part of that. If she really wanted the money THAT BAD while she was on the show, there is a thing called CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS which happens when one party thinks that the show should pay a person more for their services. To my knowledge, none of the models ever asked for a raise while they were on the show. Also, what ‘wrongs’ did people like Janice Pennington, Kathleen Bradley, Sherrell Paris, Sharon Friem, Linda Riegert, Paul Alter, and Kathleen Bradley ever do to ‘the Barker?’ The only thing I can see is that they all testified truthfully in their depositions, and when they didn’t match ‘the Barker side of things’, they were all fired! The same can be said for original director Marc Breslow, as he didn’t get along with Barker (probably because he was beloved by the rest of the cast and crew of the show!) Also, why was Rod Roddy’s camera time taken away from him - Fremantle didn’t cause it - alas, poor Rod did by his agent asking Barker for him AND the models for the same rate of pay for the Million Dollar Specials as what they made on the first one - now, that is the heart of a real bastard and criminal, isn’t it?
As for your criticism of Chris Mann’s upcoming book, you need to know that he does NOT have a vendetta against Barker, ‘the Dob’, or the rest of the present staff on “TPIR” - he was a fan of the show just like the majority of us were. As a matter of fact, he has told of the many summers he spent living by Barker and his late wife Dorothy Jo, and what a friendly guy he was, but when he found out what all he has done since ‘modelgate’, his views started to change. When he wrote the tell-all book on “Three’s Company”, the only cast member that chose not to participate was Priscilla Barnes, but she did relay her experiences to her best friend on the show Joyce DeWitt, who pretty much had the same opinion on the matter. Joyce, Richard Kline, and Don Knotts ALL went out on tour to support the book, and it was a big success. I read it, and it was truthful, but not vengeful, as Chris was also a big fan of the show as well.
Speaking of the “Price” book he is writing, he was even able to get model Anitra Ford to participate in this book, and she has been out of ‘the Hollywood eye’ since 1976, and she said nice things about Barker - want to know why? Cause Frank Wayne was in charge back then, and Barker’s ego hadn’t gone to his head. Even his late wife Dorothy Jo made the famous comment, “Besides me, the only person that Barker loves is himself.” That comment rang to the point once he got the EP job!
The reason this whole damn mess means so much to me is that I was a fan of the show from Sept. 4, 1972, to Dec. 15, 2000. I remember watching the show the first day that it premiered along with “The Joker’s Wild”, and “Gambit”, and it was a big part of my game show watching life for a LONG time! The show was like a ’second family’ to me, as Janice was always ‘the dependable one’ who stayed with the show through the loss of a husband, and the horrible injury she suffered through a CBS cameraman, Johnny O was ‘the ultimate announcer and showman’ whose voice went down like melted butter, and he was the perfect ham for the showcases, Holly was ‘my favorite klutz’, whose never ending battle with Gibson appliances was just that, Dian was ‘the bod’ who men lusted after for years when she wore swimsuits, Rod Roddy was ‘the illustrous one’, and a perfect replacement for Johnny O, as he loved being a ham by showing off his many Japanese suits, and finally Kathleen was ‘the groundbreaker’ by being the first permanent African American model on the show. These people, along with the rest that came and went during that time were just as much the reason for “TPIR’s” success as Barker was at being the host. They wouldn’t have stayed on the show for 28 years (Janice), 13 years (Johnny O), 18 years (both Holly and Dian), 17 years (Rod Roddy), and 18 years (Kathleen) if all they were looking for were ways to get money from Barker - they loved being in our homes for an hour (or half an hour), and being friends to us, the audience as well, and for someone like you to say that ALL of the people mentioned in this reply were in it for the money, you are sadly mistaken! This show was their livelihood, and they didn’t want it to just vanish like it was never there! If you loved a job you were doing, would you want lies and gossip about you to be spread that wasn’t true? I would think not!
Due to the firings of Janice and Kathleen, I am no longer a fan of the show. I did give Drew Carey’s version a chance earlier this year, but I didn’t like it due to my favorite people not being on there - I just grew out of being a fan of it anymore. If the show had gone out on a good note, I’d probably still be watching it today, but when Barker’s last show was “This Is Your Life, Bob Barker”, and nothing more, why would I want to inflate his ego anymore? I know that over the years that people have been giving Richard Dawson ‘the business’ over his later attitude on “Match Game”, and his ego on “Family Feud”, but he never had a lawsuit filed against him, and he never fooled around with the help, or make them want to leave (except the Howard Felscher matter, and from the way he has reacted to Richard in the past, I can see why he had them banned from the set!) Anyway, Richard made up for his wrongs on the last episode of his ABC version of the “Feud” in 1985, and admitted that he and Howard didn’t always see ‘eye to eye’ on everything - can you say that about Barker? I didn’t hear one damn bit of remorse from that man - only that the former models ‘were disgusting’ in USA Today!
In closing, “TPIR” isn’t my whole life, but it was a big part OF my life, and to see my friends from the show and the others get raked in the mud because of people like Barker and ‘the Dob’ is more than I can handle, and anything I can do to help these people get justice, I will, so be forewarned Just A TV Show - you can defend Barker and ‘the Dob’ all you like - I will fight for the others on the show just as much, and help them in anyway that is possible to get the truth heard!
tpirrules19
26July 6th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Yay, great to see this blog turning into a Bash Barker fest.
Just a TV Show
27July 6th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
atty1day -
Where in Deborah Curling’s lawsuit does she claim that SHE was the victim of racial discrimination? She grouses about discrimination against prospective contestants and Phil Rossi’s treatment of Claudia Jordan, but where does it claim DEBORAH was discriminated against? Again, where is a doctor’s statement saying she was suffering from any kind of mental or physical disorder caused by her work environment? Of course CBS and Fremantle are taking the lawsuit seriously — they’re the defendants!!!
MatchGameFan - Go back and read my posts and show me where I ever even mentioned Chris Mann or his book.
atty1day
28July 6th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Just A TV Show
Curling’s lawsuit is not based on discrimination she experienced, it is based on the retaliation she experienced after filing a formal complaint exposing the Racial Discrimination she witnessed on The Price Is Right.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke
Deborah Curling spoke out against Racial Discrimination, and she paid for it. That’s what her suit is about.
Oh, and the medical reports can be filed with the lawsuit or introduced during the discovery process.
Intelligentfan777
29July 6th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
You know, it’s amazing. When the camera is on, Bob is indeed the “World’s Greatest MC,” according to many! When it’s off, man oh man, is he a different person. There is no doubt when Barker became EP, his ego took over. He basically thought that he could control, not just the show, but everyone who worked on it. And yes, to this day, he probably has no regrets, or remorse.
As much as we praise and laud him for the his amazing career, in Mann’s upcoming book, the people (at least those who don’t know) need to be informed about who Bob Barker REALLY was behind the scenes. It’s going to shock a lot of people, no doubt. Heck some may lose respect for him. But I think it is necessary that the truth come out.
Furthermore, I agree with most that TPIR will continue on and be a great show, despite whatever changes Fremantle may have in mind. Hey Marc, are you feeling better? Is it out of your system? Please restore the site!
Thank you.
DENo1MatchGameFan
30July 7th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Just A TV Show -
I admit I was wrong about you talking about Chris Mann’s book, but the rest is right on the money!
I agree with Intelligentfan777, as I talked to Steve Beverly at tvgameshows.net about Barker, and he told me that Peter Marshall (’the master of “The Hollywood Squares”) agreed with your post 100% - Barker was ‘everyone’s favorite grandpa’ when the lights were on, but when they were off, so was Barker’s persona.
A friend of mine told me that the death of Barker’s wife Dorothy Jo was the turning point for Barker being a good guy, and the promotion to EP cemented the deal, and started all of the BS that you are reading about 21 years later! I love Mark Goodson to death, but this was one mistake that proved fatal to the crew and staff of “TPIR”, as the show slowly went downhill from that point on. Let’s look at the removal of ‘the Dob’ as ‘a new beginning’, and let Drew Carey do his thing with no interference this coming season! I’m sure that it took a load off of his mind to say the least!
Jason Berg
31July 7th, 2008 at 7:39 am
I don’t believe the show could go off the air right now. I would say if the network tried to retire Price there would be such an outpour from fans of the show and the television community the show would have to be put back on the air. There are too many people that religiously watch it and have made it just as much if a staple in their homes as they have things like bread, sugar, flour, and other basic necessities. Also, if this happened, I could see a major change in game shows as this could cause a prelude to the future of game shows. Price is the one and only show that really holds on to the past when it comes to game shows. They still have several variables like music and some of the props from back then. This show also has the loosest and most welcoming atmosphere where people can just be themselves and not have to feel like they are scripted, nor does the host have to feel so limited in how he can perform in the role. The attitude of the show is a free spirited, exciting one where no body ever seem to meet a stranger and everyone is happy just to get called down to contestants row and have a chance at winning something. I see no reason that the producers would try something on Price without at least giving it some thought as to whether or not it would go over and if they make a mistake, I could see them changing it quickly so it would not kiil the show. Viewers will let them know if something is off kilter and this is their gem of all time so I don’t believe they would continue with something new that viewers say doesn’t fit. I plan to keep watching and I will be optimistic that any changes will be for the good.
devares
32July 7th, 2008 at 9:00 am
I’ve heard about that, Intelligentfan777. Last year, someone I knew (I’m not going to say her name) wanted to get Bob Barker’s autograph, and shunned her. Although my opinion on Barker, which is a good one BTW, his ego usually gets in the way of his greatness as a game show host. I know we all have those times where we don’t want to interact with someone, but when you’re in the public eye and you’re famous, sometimes you have to put your egos to the side and give back to the people that made you what you are. You never hear any bad things about Alex Trebek or Pat Sajak. But for someone who’s been in the industry for 50+ years, He has to know. He has to know.
MrQuiz
33July 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
As I read some of the comments and responses here (which I found most interesting, at the very least), I also learned a thing or two: a forthcoming book on TPIR being the least of it (I’m looking forward to it).
Having said that, and having known about the drama behind the scenes for a long time (although without as much detail as I saw posted), it’s kinda a sad commentary on things, when there’s so much backbiting, ego-tripping, “taking sides,” and playing poliitcs behind the scenes. It’s something like finding out the celebrity you’ve had a secret crush on is either married, or involved in a relationship, as that may taint, if not dilute, the fantasy, even if only a little bit.
There were two movies made back in the ’50s (both personal faves of mine); one was titled “The Great Man.” Based on a novel, it told the story of a radio & TV personality, whose untikely death in a car accident, becomes just short of a national tragedy, as he was beloved by the public. A broadcast journalist assigned to cover the events leading up to the funeral, interviewed parctically everyone who had either known or worked with this person, only to discover he was as reviled behind the scenes, as he was revered by his fans.
The other movie was “A Face In the Crowd,” which starred Andy Griffith (”as you’ve never seen him before”-pre Andy Taylor) as a cheap booze-swilling, guitar-playing lowlife drifter, who after being interviewed in a local jail by the daughter of a small-town radio station owner, becomes an “overnight sensation,” eventually winding up a major network TV star. Yet, his taste for liquor, and women, along with his ego, and two-faced nature (not unlike “The Great Man”) eventually show him for the phony he really is.
HomerJaySimpson
34July 7th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Going off the deep end is a massive understatement. Then again, on a site where people claimed–I think seriously–people would tune out in droves over things like where on the stage a given pricing game was blocked, the idea of a more substantial makeover than this year’s new doors and–GASP–turntable is enough to cause a major hissy fit.
The “don’t fix what isn’t broken” idea is a fine philosphy, but Price has been showing signs of fading for quite some time. No–it’s not near death yet, but the last few years of Barker were the equivalent of a car starting to sputter regularly: it’s still moving but not like it once did.
The fact is the show’s audience has continue to see its average age climb far too high. The much-ballyhooed college kids who watch between classes are great, but the gap in between is troubling. Make no mistake, there are enough desirable viewers in daytime to make money for many programmers, from homemakers to shift workers to work-at-home types sneaking a glance at the TV for company during the day. But Price isn’t keeping pace.
The choices facing CBS are letting the institution die for sure–perhaps slowly, but that’s the way it’s heading if nothing is done–or taking a stab at breathing some new life into the formula. It may turn out that nothing can save it; sooner or later, everything runs its course. And to be sure, there is room for second guessing the changes that are made–whether they were the right adjustments, or the right areas to tinker with. But to smugly assume all would be well if you do nothing is silly, to be charitable.
Even a major set overhaul should not cause the wailing seen on GoldenRoad.net. If you’re really a fan of the GAME, of seeing people win prizes by playing a rotating series of pricing games, then Drew standing on a turntable or in front of a video wall is irrelevant. The color of the floor is irrelevant. The use of flashing lights or LED strips is irrelevant. And the GR.net crowd should remember their particular obsession isn’t shared by all fans, no matter how loyal. Not everyone is going to tune in, see a more modern look, and decide that they now don’t like seeing little old ladies from Omaha win a “NEW CAR!” or play Plinko. People didn’t stop watching Jeopardy when the big letters vanished; they didn’t stop watching Wheel of Fortune when the shopping went away. Keeping pace with the times, even if it means resembling other shows, is not the worst thing that can happen.
As to the issue of four games instead of six–as has been SPECULATED, not confirmed–none of us know if CBS may have taken yet more time away from the show for commercials. As it is, the hurry-up elements are obvious, and taking any more time would only increase that issue. Dropping back to the next-lower even number of games might allow for game play more like the earlier days of the show. It may also allow for Drew to play to his strengths with contestants. For people obsessed with how many times the most obscure pricing games get played, it may mean less of their favorites, but, again, average viewers don’t care how many times “Let ‘Em Roll” is played. What’s more, it’s possible the budget is tighter. As has been noted, when times are lean, the games become harder to win. If you go into a season with a lower budget, the increased number of losses will be more pronounced in a six-game format.
Frankly, nothing will make many of the GR.net people happy. They’ll complain if Drew ties his shoes the wrong way. Making some changes now that he’s settling in as host makes business sense. It’s a gamble, but the alternative is certain failure in a few years.
Intelligentfan777
35July 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
You make good points HomerJay, but let me elaborate even further.
The Budget of the show is usually very flexible, and adjusts to certain periods throughout the season. I’ve this noticed over the last few seasons. For example, when this season started there was a lot of winning! There were several perfect shows and Double Showcase winners in the first few months. This caused the show to be over budget, and “budget mode” as they call it went on for a couple of months. But, when the show’s budget was back in line, the bigger prizes became available again, just like that. I assume when a new season begins, the show resets itself and a fresh untouched budget is activated, which can be worked in any way the producers see fit.
As far as GR.net is concerned, they really need to STOP IT! Look, I’m a fan and all, but personally, I could care less if a certain pricing game is staged differently, or played in a certain slot. I don’t obsess over camera angles, wipes, turntable shots, or how many times a certain game gets played. Also, all those other points you made, it seems the good people GR.net haven’t actually taken all this into account, and that’s why they are acting they way they are. Is there any way we can get through to them?
Finally, I would like to add that maybe Fremantle’s plan is indeed to try to do something to breathe new life into the show. I still think that the show will be O.K., and it will continue to be popular. Heck, hiring Drew Carey in the first place was really the first step in making the show more fun and loose. The ratings for the MDSs were great, too. The change in the Million-Dollar format was brilliant, I thought.
Alex
36July 8th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Okay, trying this again…the last time I tried to submit a comment here, your server ATE IT!!! D:
FROM ALEX DAVIS:
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It lead to a level of game show hysteria I’ve never seen before. It’s not exaggeration; read some of the message boards. You could even read my inbox which was literally flooded with emails of people complaining that I wasn’t investigating this situation well on July 4th.
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You’ve never seen this kind of hysteria before? I’ve seen it before, quite a few times!
First, in 2000. When the Nintendo GameCube was announced, Shigeru Miyamoto said that there would be a “more mature Mario”. Immediately, fanb01z went batcrap insane over the prospect of the Super Mario Bros. series becoming Nintendo’s Grand Theft Auto. And the grand irony? Mario STILL hasn’t become more mature, not even with Super Mario Galaxy! It’s just the same old damn “save Peach from Bowser” biz. To paraphrase HomerJaySimpson above me, Mario has become a car sputtering regularly, like Bob Barker did in his last few years.
Then in 2005, DeviantArt founder Scott Jarkoff was fired, and he tried to lead the site in a revolution not all that dissimilar to what Marc Green and the others are doing with Golden Road.net over The Dob’s firing. The grand irony is, I did some investigation of that controversy from the spring of 2007 until I was banned a month ago, and I found out that Jark actually deserved his firing because, like Bob Barker, he was warm and friendly online, but offline…was a different story!
And now, here in 2008, everything old is new again. I expected the fanb01z to go batcrap insane when they heard the news…after all, that’s what they did when Bob Barker retired. But Marc Green, ClockGameJohn, FPGWillyT, and all the other mods are supposed to be the “level heads” on the site. They’re supposed to be “above the fray”, maintaining order. The fact that they are participating in and even ENCOURAGING all this drama is UNACCEPTABLE!!!
Will The Dob’s firing ruin the show? Maybe. But we have to watch first and find out. Going insane like this when Season 36 hasn’t even ended yet and when taping for Season 37 won’t begin until three days after the end is just plain wrong! >___<
ScottNotSteve
37July 8th, 2008 at 9:52 am
I lost all interest in the show after the initial “affair” that Bob admitted to — it was totally lost on him that the circumstances of his being widowed did not give him license to have an affair with a co-worker, or more bluntly, an employee with regard to whom he had a position of authority. It was flat-out tasteless, and that was it for me. Adding to that his insufferable ego on camera, it is amazing how devoted so many fans were to him. The show violated the cardinal rule of game shows, and the reason for Dawson’s eventual demise — properly done, the game’s the thing (and the contestants, too), not the host. See dictionary entries for the genre’s greatest hosts: Bill Cullen, Tom Kennedy, Dick Clark, Allen Ludden, Peter Marshall, Bob Eubanks, Wink Martindale, and more recently, Tom Bergeron.
Drew Carey is a breath of fresh air. Fremantle owns the show. It their right to do with it what they please, like it or not. Perhaps not a good track record with retools, but this season was fresh and different in many ways, and I watched again.
Idea: Go to four pricing games, have a four-way spinoff (one spin each, with the two top spinners to do a traditional showdown of two spins, advantage to the higher spin in the first round), then a showcase which is longer and more entertaining and exciting. Slow the pace a bit, let Drew shine, and allow the reduction in pricing games to increase the prizes for each one and the showcase. Get rid of the 10-second pricing games which have been there only to allow a total of six to be played(One Right Price comes to mind).
Really, it’s time for another retool. If Fremantle decides it’s time for a new captain of the ship, so be it, and wish Roger well for a long (and I’ll bet stressful) career.
HomerJaySimpson
38July 8th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Intelligentfan777:
Completely agree as to how the game goes through cycles of mass winning then lean times. My point is that perhaps CBS cut their budget significantly, leading them to either face more lean shows all year long, or drop the number of games played so as to still allow some semblance of regular (though maybe not constant) winning, moreso than the six game format would dictate.
Casual fan
39July 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
OMG they played a truck cue instead of a motorcycle cue, I’M NEVER WATCHING THE SHOW AGAIN!!!
OMG they moved the prop 3/16 of a micrometer THEY JUST RUINED THE WHOLE SHOW FOR ME!!!!
Seriously I love watching the spazzing out that’s going on. Sure it’s a shame that Roger was fired but life goes on. I heard about the news and went about my life as normal, no sobbing spells or anything like that.
But what do I know? If I ever got the chance to be on the show, I’d probably be one of those contestants that get bashed because I dont have the prices psychotically memorized and lose because I didn’t know some asinine trick that only a handful of people know.
devares
40July 8th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
I agree with HomerJay, most shows do run its course, but, in CBS’s case, they don’t want to let Price run its course. Eventually, the day will come for CBS to just pull the plug and go with something else. While I’m a fan of the show, I also understand that even great shows will run its course at one point. CBS should get back the 10/9 am slot and put one, maybe 2 new game shows on as a possible heir apparent to TPIR. Why not revive any of the old shows that CBS use to air, like Now You See It or Tattletales. The way I look at it, The Price Is Right has, at least, 5 or 6 more years left in it. Then maybe 5 or 6 years down the line, they could revive it, giving it a fresh start.
Chiclets
41July 9th, 2008 at 6:08 am
To be honest, reading some of these posts, I don’t see a lot of game show fans. I see a lot of fans of real-life drama, mind games, and politics. What initially drew (pun slightly intended) me to TPiR as a kid, was the show itself. The colorful set, the pricing games (I miss Hurdles), and Bob’s hosting ability. As I grew up, I enjoyed the show for the colorful set, the pricing games (I miss Gallery Game), and Bob’s hosting ability. Now that I’m 32 years old, I watch the show for the colorful set, the pricing games (I miss Penny Ante), and Drew’s hosting ability. My point is, I’m a game show fan because I like game shows. I’m not a fan because I analyze every nuance, measurement, fashion choice, political maneuver, etc. I enjoy the game. If something happens that hinders that enjoyment, I may tune out. But stuff like behind the scenes lawsuits, power struggles, and mind games (although I know they’re sometimes present), can’t force me to stop enjoying the finished product,, which is what brought me to be a fan. As far as the future, I was early to judge when I heard there would be changes, but I got to thinking, how can we judge that which we do not know? I’ll be eager to see what happens. Am I upset that Roger’s gone? Yes, I’ve met him numerous times and have even had dinner with him and some friends. He’s one of the nicest guys I’ve met in this business, and I know from talking to him and from talking to friends of mine who work on the show, that he cares deeply about it. So, sure I’ll miss him, but am I going to stop watching the show because Roger’s gone. No. And Why? Because, plain and simple, I am a GAME SHOW FAN…Fan of the GAME…Fan of the SHOW!
James D.
42July 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Daytime TV is in a state of flux right now, and it’s not just TPiR getting rid of the “Dob.”
Ratings for daytime soaps are plunging across the board, and the networks are looking at anything to save the shows, from cutting budgets to changing the look and feel of soaps (CBS has done that with two of its soaps, to negative reviews overall). There may not be a single network soap on the air in 10-15 years.
The View is not the ratings juggernaut it was a few years ago, and the daytime “news” shows are also experiencing problems (the fourth hour of “Today,” for instance, has been a ratings stinker, particularly since KLG became co-host).
TPiR is in the same boat. No one knows what will happen with TPiR post-Dob, but we need to take a “wait and see” approach, and await to hear from witnesses of Season 37 episodes, before we declare the show better, worse or dead.
I’m curious if there was any tension backstage among Carey, Carey’s people, Fremantle execs (who back Carey) and Barker loyalists which could have led to Dobkowitz being bounced. This reminds me of the NBC late-night scene back when Jay Leno became permanent host, where you had a Tonight Show set full of Leno supporters, Carson loyalists and people who wanted to see David Letterman, not Leno, win the job (and there were plenty of Carson loyalists who fell in the Letterman camp). IIRC, it probably took a good 2-3 years before Leno was able to make Tonight “his” show, not a Carson carbon copy. Perhaps Carey is in the same boat, and it will take him 2-3 years to truly make TPiR HIS show.
ImHomerJay
43July 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
The reason CBS can’t just push Price back to 10 and add something in the 11 am slot (all times ET, adjust accordingly as needed) is simple: once you give an hour back to the affiliates, getting it back would be easier than, as Charlton Heson once famously said, taking the gun from his cold dead hands (no offense intended, just using his theatric quote).
Now, in theory they could finally take Guiding Light out behind the woodshed and reconfigure the lineup, since most affiliates already run GL in the morning.
But what needs to be taken into account is that there’s a reason Price is the last of the network games: the genre just didn’t work that well anymore. Daytime Millionaire actually does relatively well in today’s landscape (those post-news clearances on stations like WABC and WPVI etc. help), but Family Feud hangs on by the skin of its teeth.
There was buzz at the beginning of the Millionaire wave in primetime that it would signal a rebirth of the genre in daytime. Thing is, most of the prime time games have tanked, the only current exceptions being 5th Grader and Deal. The last two syndicated games were abysmal failures, even by the justifiably lower standards today. Maybe Deal will succeed, and maybe 5th Grader will come to syndication after all, but that’s a lot of speculation at this point.
There seems to be a great denial going on on the part of the hysterical GoldenRoad.net posters. Just because something worked for 35 years does not mean it will continue to do so. Today’s daytime TV landscape is radically different. When Price premiered, independent broadcast stations were no threat, airing what could charitably be described as filler material in daytime for the most part. Today, with the flood of syndicated talk and court shows, they’ve taken a piece of the audience. Cable networks have not only grown in number, they’ve turned their attention to building daytime audiences as well in many cases. Whether it’s full-time channels sucking off the parents-and-kids audiences (a la PBS Sprout, Playhouse Disney, Nick Jr. etc.) or lifestyle and information shows on the likes of WE or reruns of current or recent prime time shows, there’s much more competition for a set of eyeballs that isn’t growing all that much. (Let’s not forget DVDs, video games, etc.–the list goes on, and that’s just things to do with a TV!)
No, the View is no powerhouse like it once was either, for the same reasons. But several days a week on average, it’s besting Price.
How anyone can rationally argue that changing nothing will ensure success is beyond me.
Oh, and to a previous poster, I miss Hurdles, too!!!
Intelligentfan777
44July 9th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Actually, HomerJay, The Game show genre still works real well, Just not in daytime anymore. The thing about Millionaire, is that it DID revive the genre, not just for primetime, but mostly for syndication, as well. There’s a reason we have seen so many game shows in Primetime and syndication over the past several years. The genre DOES still work, however, as we all know real well, not every SHOW works. Many have come and gone, but producers still believe in the game show! That’s why we hear so many announcements of new, and potential new shows coming to the forefront. “What’s old, is new again,” so to speak.
In my opinion, whether you like, love, or hate a show, and certain elements of the genre itself, it is, and STILL is a great time to be a game show fan! The activity on blogs like this is just one piece of proof of that. Also, I along with many feel this seasons’ two new game show entries will do a lot better than last years shows!
Oh BTW, Golden-Road.net is back up again! The forums are all working, and some upgrades are being made as well, there is also a “Future” discussion thread where members are “Split,” so to speak, on the potential changes to the show. However, it seems like everyone has calmed down and are having rational discussions again. Also, it seems like the vibe is quickly trying to get back to a positive one.
Folks, I still believe TPIR will continue on and be a great show, “changes” be damned! I am not really that worried about it.
Over Price
45July 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
To poster #4:
To suggest that Chris Mann’s TPIR book will be nothing but or primarily people “complaining” shows total ignorance about his well-liked 3s Company book and the NBC tv movie that followed that used him as a producer. Nearly every cast and major crew member of that show interviewed for that book, and John Ritter applauded Mann in many national TV interviews. And I even remember Joyce Dewitt talking favorable about the book on The O’Reilly Factor!!!
Mann’s also written for TV Guide, Emmy Magazine and Radar, according to his official web site, http://www.Retroality.TV. So calling him an “unknown author” is ridiculous.
I read his 3s Co book and loved it, even though it finally told the truth about Suzanne Sommers, which was tough to accept even in a book that was way more factual and balanced than her biography. I think once Barker’s self-serving book is published in 2009 and America is finally ready to hear the real story about Bob, Mann’s book will fly off the shelves.
Whammy
46July 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
This is so hilarious seeing all these posters arguing all over the place! “The Dob” was fired. Get a grip! It won’t ruin the show. Like someone said, he was Bob’s snitch. Drew wanted peace and harmony around the set, so he was fired. I think Drew is amazing as a host! He breathed new life into the show. Frankly, from about Season 33-35, the show got really stale. Thank God that Drew came along. He had some big shoes to fill, and he filled them exceedingly well. I find myself tuning in a lot more than I used to.
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