“Deal or No Deal”, “Fifth Grader”, and “Lyrics” Not Returning Fall 2009
It looks like this cycle of primetime game shows is over because of, yet again among a few things, god awful scheduling by the networks. NBC’s Deal or No Deal and FOX’s Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader? and Don’t Forget the Lyrics will not be coming back Fall 2009 and, simply put, they are almost positively canceled. No official word has been given but you don’t need official word in these cases. They are dying in the ratings, audiences are going away fast, and it’s constantly shuffled and removed. They are gone.
Deal or No Deal should be no shock. The ratings for the three week trial the past few Mondays have been beyond terrible. They’ve been pretty bad all season. Originally I placed blame on the fact that this season NBC decided to remove it from its normal Monday slot and put it on Friday. It went back to Monday and has done horrible. Far worse than ever before. To me it was just a giant mix of NBC abusing the hell out of it and the constant gimmicks. We’re finally getting back to normal, regular shows but it’s too late. The damage was done. The good news is that the daytime version of Deal will be back September 2009, and it’s far better than the NBC version ever was. Moving to Connecticut to save budget may be a great thing for it, as if it can keep at its current rating level we may see it for a while. So at least something good came of NBC’s god awful primetime version: we got the good daytime version.
Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader and Don’t Forget the Lyrics never really did much for me. They were both essentially Millionaire ripoffs (Millionaire for Dumbasses and Music Millionaire, respectively) that didn’t try to change it up a bit (1 VS 100). But fans of Fifth Grader will be happy to know the show will be on in the daytime for a syndicated run starting September 2009. We’ll see how long it can last there. Even beyond my bias against the show I really don’t think that long since Millionaire is already running, but I could be wrong; it’s not that rare. Don’t Forget the Lyrics just seems to be gone for good and not showing up anywhere again. Scheduling abuse doesn’t seem to be the issue for those two. They weren’t plastered everywhere. Moving the shows from their successful Thursday time slots to a Friday one was an awful move, but FOX doesn’t seem to be hurting or missing them at all. People just seemed to get tired of the formats after a bit, too.
That’s really the basic principle, to me, of why all these primetime game shows go. People are getting tired of the formats and you move on. The issue is the production companies and networks tweak the formats like crazy and change it to bring those people back, but they don’t come back and you lose what loyal viewers you had in the first place. We saw that with primetime Deal and we see in daytime Deal how sticking with something that works keeps your loyal viewers. I’m sure more primetime games will come soon. To look at it positively as well, this new run of primetime game shows brought in some new syndicated game shows; something that hasn’t happened in a long long time. This stuff is always in a cycle. Wait a few years. We’ll get another big quiz format and they’ll all explode again. We’ve already taken shows from the British and the Dutch. Let’s wait see who’s next.






Is there any chance of GSN- securing the reruns rights for Primetime 5th Grader or Don’t Forget the Lyrics, for the fall or early 2010?
Also, Is Fox is procedding with more episodes of The Moment of Truth? Finally, has anyone caught Mark L. Walberg- as the host of the new lottery game show, Make Me A Millionaire (it replaced the long-running Big Spin?)
I’d say do what the Japanese did…Panel Quiz Attack 25. It’s been out there for at least 30+ years, and that its a 4-player version of Othello. I mean, its one of those quiz formats (which to me are better than the stunt shows (outside of Banzai, Wipeout, et. al)) that should work here.
I was on YouTube today, and I saw a German game show from back in the day (1994-ish?) called “Die 100,000 Marks Show”. Basically, it was Nickelodeon’s Double Dare for grown ups, almost. The clip I saw had 4 teams run a mini obstacle course (all to the instrumental version of “Final Countdown” by Europe, and the other clip showed a winning team do 3 games to elimanate wrong combinations to a giant safe. The team elimanates so many out of 10, then picks one, enters in the combination, and if right they win the 100,000 marks, or 100,000 dollars. It would look awesome on NBC since Gladiators got axed and, other then WipeOut, their aren’t slot of physical shows out there.
RTL in Germany tried reviving The €100,000 Show in 2008 with two broadcast pilot shows (one civillian, one celebrity).
Sky One over here have recomissioned Smarter but for the third series they have renamed the title “Are You Smarter Than YOUR 10 Year Old?”. Casting calls have gone out asking for contestants but to include a 10 year old relative plus four friends at the same age.
The titanic just sank! Say hello to the much better daytime DOND.
with the primetime Deal NBC should have stuck to what worked well in the first two seasons especially season one which is the best primetime Deal ever. I am all for more gameshows in the daytime especially since the talkshows get very boring after a while and soap operas sometimes are a joke. I would love to see the days like USA had in the 80′s with gameshows for hours. As far as AYST5G and DFTL they should have stayed on Thursdays which i liked better because for me there was nothing good on at 8/7 central hour. As far as the next hit primetime gameshow I am confident that I’ve got it I just need to get an entertainment agent and an entertainment attorney. The daytime version of deal does have the best gameplay though. I do feel that NBC should bring back 1 VS 100 with the format where the first three questions are worth $1,000 and the second two are worth $2,000.
Well put, Alex.
That said… do the Aussies have anything worth ripping off yet? =p
Maybe in time, “Fifth” and “Lyrics” will make it to GSN.
I watched primetime DOND last night and there was no thank you for watching DOND. Instead of leaving with a bang, Primetime DOND ends with a whimper. Hey Howie, welcome to the world the rest of us live in, If you’re show’s not competent, you’re out of a job
Also, per GSNN, Million Dollar Password is gone as well.
For me, the Fox shows basically sucked; DFTL was to SINGING BEE what GREED was to WWTBAM. I never cared much for Mark Burnett’s shows, and ARE U SMARTER…?’s only attribute was it was tailor-made for Fox: a dumb show for a dumbed-down network.
DoND was much a victim of the same network BS that killed the original WWTBAM. Shame on you NBC! You fucked over TWENTY ONE in 2000, and you did the same to DoND several years later. Granted, different suits are running the show, but, evidently, no one, especially the network brass and their braintrusts don’t seem to learn from past mistakes.
I doubt GSN will pick up Lyrics. They’ll have to pay music rights, I’d assume, which is a reason we’ll never see Name That Tune.
Man! Are primetime game shows dropping like flies or what? Billy Silverman finally wised up and cancelled the primetime crap that was DOND. AYSTAFG and DFTL bit the dust after awful scheduling. I know this is off topic guys but why is ABC bringing back WWTBAM and will ABC make the same mistake in overexposing the show like it did in its first go-around? ABC has the NBA, Desperate Housewives, and Dancing with the Stars. Does the network want to overtake CBS or something?
I’m pretty disappointed that “Deal” might get the boot. That show doesn’t deserve to get cancelled. However, the syndicated version is coming back for a second season this fall.
By the way, “Panel Quiz Attack 25″ started on April 6, 1975 and so far, over 1700 episodes have been made. I, for one, think that Kiyoshi Kodama’s “Attack Chance!” is pretty impressive. Hopefully, the long-running Japanese game show might celebrate its thirty-fifth anniversary next year.
I wouldn’t be too sure that AYSTAFG (or DNFL, for that matter) is canceled. Fox likes to have shows that only air in the summer (“So You Think You Can Dance?” comes to mind, although it is moving to fall in 2009); it also gives Fox something to air in the Mountain and Pacific time zones on Sunday nights at 7 while their NFL postgame show airs in the eastern half of the country in that slot.
I agree with That Don Guy. 5th Grader and Lyrics aren’t on the cancelled list, neither is Million Dollar Password on CBS, so there’s a chance they could come back. As for DFTL airing on GSN, likely won’t happen since they’re too stingy to pay the music rights like CBN and USA did for Name That Tune back in the day, although I did see some episodes of Lyrics on Fox Reality.
To MrQuiz: I do agree. They did the same thing to the Weakest Link. They put it on Mondays to begin with, then moved it around, overexposed it, and then, *poof*, it was gone. At least they did keep 1 vs 100 in its time slot.
To Scott Meckley: I would love to see those days come back too, but since USA is now owned by NBC, likely won’t happen.